[OFBiz] Users - live site list

Adrian Crum adrianc at hlmksw.com
Thu Mar 24 10:11:50 EST 2005 

I like Ray's concept.

lol @ "wild west" - so true!

I like the wiki because it allows me to post information that I think 
might be helpful to others. It would be better if certain sections were 
not editable - as Ray suggested.


Ray wrote:
> I don't think anyone will disagree that editing real HTML files and 
> submitting a patch is that difficult. But the reality is different, you 
> only need to look at the wiki recent changes page to see that on average 
> a page is changing everyday, I'm guess you would need to think back 
> quite a while for the last time that you received a patch for the html 
> content! Technically it's a small thing to do but it proves a large jump 
> for people to make, aside from increasing your work load on applying the 
> patches. Another analogy would be the difference between using forums 
> and mailing lists, it's down to convenience, you scrapped the forums a 
> long time ago as it's just takes extra effort to switch out to the forum 
> website, possibly login and reply.
> 
> I agree that the wiki has it's quality problems, but I also think they 
> are compounded by it's "wild west" label. If the core Ofbiz developers 
> see it that way then it will be hard pushed to move on above that. From 
> what I remember it was originally setup to allow the community to help 
> with increasing and maintaining the level of documentation without 
> burdening the developers, and pages like 
> http://ofbizwiki.go-integral.com/Wiki.jsp?page=UpgradingOverview are 
> very valuable and I doubt would exist if the wiki wasn't around.
> 
> Rather than continue to argue on the points, which we will probably 
> agree to disagree on, I'll summarise what might be more constructive for 
> going forward. I think the ideas do allow the community support without 
> your worry of dissolving the whole ofbiz.org site into the "wild west":
> One domain - ofbiz.org fully searchable.
> The whole site should be editable online (be it wiki, CMS, OFBiz).
> To maintain a high level of quality on the site it must be moderated 
> i.e. if somebody whats to change main nav bar, that has to be signed off 
> by Mr X. So as not over burden the core developers, sub sections, like 
> the faq or live sites list maybe, can be moderated by designated 
> community members, much like you allow SVN access to parts of the 
> project as people prove their competence.
> We could still clearly identify a section that has less/no moderation 
> but this should really be a staging area because if the content has 
> merit it should move into a more structured section.
> 
> Ray
> 
> David E. Jones wrote:
> 
>>
>> Ray, and others interested,
>>
>> Yes, this does go right back to that discussion doesn't it.
>>
>> The wiki concept is an interesting one, but while it is good for some  
>> things it is pretty bad for other things. I guess what I mean is that  
>> there is a lot of great stuff on the wiki, but it is also quite a 
>> mess  and there is a lot there that isn't quite correct.
>>
>> I'm not saying we shouldn't have a wiki, in fact it's a great 
>> resource  and there seems to be quite a bit of positive feedback about 
>> it and the  content there, but I also think that keeping it separate 
>> from the main  ofbiz.org site is a good thing. It would be fine to 
>> have it on the same  domain and such, but and L&F and organization 
>> should make the  distinction clear.
>>
>> Still, it would be great to have more feedback and recommendations, 
>> and  even patches too, for the main ofbiz.org web site. I don't think 
>> it's  that much less convenient to edit real HTML files and submit a 
>> patch,  and it's all in SVN so it should be pretty easy to get to. I 
>> know it's  not instant like the wiki, but that's kind of the point, 
>> this site  should be more stable and consistent as a more centrally 
>> controlled set  of content, where as the wiki is more of the wild west.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2005, at 4:38 AM, Ray wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know who originally created the page, probably someone who  
>>> didn't know the 'marketing' one existed.
>>>
>>> Yes this content is duplicated on both sites and I'm sure it's not 
>>> the  only example! But you can see my thoughts on this subject as 
>>> posted  previously:
>>>     
>>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/htdig/users/2005-February/006245.html   
>>> (link contains 3 messages best read from bottom up)
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>> David E. Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I updated the site list on the Marketing page of the ofbiz.org 
>>>> site,  and alphabetized it to make it a little easier to use....
>>>>
>>>> Looking at this list on the Wiki I found a couple of sites that 
>>>> were  added there that were not on the ofbiz.org site. What I'm 
>>>> wondering  is why this page exists, or at least that part of this 
>>>> page, when it  not only duplicates what exist on the ofbiz.org site, 
>>>> but a harder to  find one that is competing with the one on the 
>>>> Marketing page of the  ofbiz.org site... In other words, if people 
>>>> are adding to that list  instead of sending something to the mailing 
>>>> list or to me to add to  the ofbiz.org site list, then it won't make 
>>>> it to that list unless I  sit an monitor all changes in the wiki...
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has any thoughts on this I'd be interested in hearing  
>>>> them...
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 22, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Ray wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please note that the wiki has a live site list that is more up to  
>>>>> date in terms of sites that are no longer in existence, last 
>>>>> updated  2nd Feb 2005.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ofbizwiki.go-integral.com/Wiki.jsp?page=WhoElseUsesOFBiz
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the Marketing page on the ofbiz.org site, that's where it  
>>>>>> has always been, on the right side there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this really that hard to find? Should we make it more 
>>>>>> prominent?  If so, where should it more prominently go (or in 
>>>>>> other words  prioritized over what else?)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, please do send info about dead sites here. Also, if anyone  
>>>>>> knows of any sites that aren't on that list, please send that 
>>>>>> info  too...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2005, at 8:06 PM, bjfree at free-man.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well once there was a list of live sites.
>>>>>>> I can't seem to find it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: bjfree at free-man.net [mailto:bjfree at free-man.net]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:36 AM
>>>>>>> To: users at lists.ofbiz.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [OFBiz] Users - live site list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am going thru the live site list and verifying it for my site.
>>>>>>> should I post any dead sites here?
>>>>>>>
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