[OFBiz] Users - TO DAVID --- Online Documentation >>>waiting

Fri Oct 7 12:11:03 EDT 2005

Hi there Vincius,

Please don't take it personally and please to not consider this  
message a lack of respect.

My team approached OFBIZ after carefully observing the other options  
out there and we spent a great deal of time analyzing first the books  
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?path=ASIN/ 
0471380237&link_code=as2&camp=1789&tag=openforbusine-20&creative=9325) d 
escribing the domain model and far more than that. OFBiz is built on  
the model described by these books adapting it to the real world of  
Enterprise requirements.

Then, the next step was to seriously read the source code and  
understand how the things are done. The only *real* way in  
OpenSource. We didn't even considered the docs provided commercially.  
Those were bought *after* we were sure we understand what can be done  
with OFBiz .. code and implementation wise.

I see here you're going to take a big responsibility: "...run OFBIZ  
to Various Companies"

Vincius, if those companies will be your future clients, then the  
responsibility is huge and please be sure that you understand very  
good how ofbiz works; philosophy, existing features, customization  
and .. deployment. Omitted from this very short list of TODOs is:  
legacy systems integration and legacy data migration! Treat this  
aspect superficially and is enough to drag yourself into a technical  
conflict between old, legacy systems/datasets and OFBiz, if you are  
not prepared. Trust me, you can install OFBiz thousands of times but  
fail at the end if you're not prepared to import legacy data into the  
new system. How can you then be successful if you don't know the  
internal of OFBiz framework? This is Open Source, Vincius, and as an  
Open source member  myself, I am giving you a friendly advice: read  
first the books (links posted above) and then jump to the sources and  
stay there for 1-2 months! For God crying loud man, this is an ERP  
framework, not a tiny library. Test various hardware scenarios and  
stress test your mock deployments with data that simulates the  
approximative load of your customers. Be prepared for unexpected when  
you'll make plans to migrate data from the old systems to the OFBIZ  
domain model.

Reading all your postings on this mail list, and seeing the kind of  
troubles you have, I do believe that if you really need to implement  
something commercially and fast ... then you're maybe looking for  
professional support. This can be expensive .. but safe! I am sure  
that on this list there are professional and experienced users able  
to help you with this; don't worry, I am not one of them :) This is  
under no circumstances an advertising nor representing a niggardly  
personal interest, is a pure friendly advice. Take it or ignore it.

Everybody on this list will kindly help you if ... you can understand  
the kind of explanations you receive. A good advice is as good as its  
usage;)

Vincius, as yourself, I am an OFBIZ user and I am representing here  
the overall experience accumulated by my team and my own thoughts  
only. I am not affiliated with OFBIZ and I am not representing here  
the oppinions of my employer. All these words, I repeat, represent a  
friendly advice only. I hope you'll interpret it wisely.

Good luck Vincius and thank you LIST :) for supporting my 2  
Canadian ;) cents opinion on this topic.

Sincerely,
:)florin

On Oct 7, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Vinicius Nadai wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for answer,
>
> My problem is to run OFBIZ to Varios Companies and each Companies  
> to haver various employees.
> I dont found this in any place . So, I buied your online  
> documentation, but don't found too.
>
> Can you help me??
>
> Vinicius
>
> David E. Jones wrote:
>>
>> Vinicius,
>>
>> Please don't take this personally, but I don't respond well to   
>> pressure and manipulation.
>>
>> The documentation site is what it is and while we try to put   
>> information in there that is as useful as possible to the widest   
>> audience possible, with the scope of OFBiz and all of the  
>> possible  ways to use the system it is hard to predict what people  
>> might want  to do with it.
>>
>> So, I appreciate your feedback and hopefully with more  
>> information  about your needs we can help you out. In that light  
>> the OFBiz Users  mailing list (which has nothing to do with  
>> Undersun or the Undersun  Online Documentation) happens to be a  
>> great place to discuss this.
>>
>> In other words, I'm not sure if documentation will meet your  
>> needs.  It sounds like what you need is analysis, and $4.95 worth  
>> of  discounted documentation (even if purchased multiple times by   
>> different people in the same company) probably won't meet your needs.
>>
>> You mention you'd like to know about Multi Company in OFBiz, what   
>> exactly do you mean by that?
>>
>> On the question about the permission, this might have just been a   
>> typo in the email but the permission should be "CATALOG_ADMIN"  
>> and  not "CATALOG_ADM".
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Vinicius Nadai wrote:
>>
>>> David, I am waiting your anwser
>>>
>>> Vinicius Nadai wrote:
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> The online documents in the site Undersun is incomplete. For   
>>>> example: Create Employer. And others.
>>>>
>>>> I very need to know all about the Security.
>>>>
>>>> My problem: I am giving the permisson CATALOG_ADM to a one User   
>>>> and when he to do the Login is displayed a message: This user  
>>>> not  permission to the application.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to know too all about Multi Company in The OFBIZ  
>>>> and  I buied the document for this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
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